Tanzania cleverly uses military in construction of $1.92bn railway being built by Turkish firm

[Kafrican]

Hao TPDF wangeanza na kujenga runway na airbase yao kwanza, alafu polepole ndo una upgrade ..... juzi juzi mliwaachia wachina wajenge runway ambayo ni kama kujenga barabara ya asphalt.. Tanzania Inaugurate USD68.5m Military Airport - TanzaniaInvest

anyway, kila mtu na priority zake, Tz wakiwa na priority zake Kenya iko na yake, sisi Kazi kama hizo zimepewa civilians.... Wanajeshi wakati wa amani huku kenya wanahusika katika kupanda miti, Kufanya research ya magonjwa ya Ukimwi, na kutengeneza risasi za kutumia hao na polisi....etc Pia hua mara kwa mara nawaona wakijenga barabara zao

 

[joto la jiwe]

It's better to build a nation based on structures than the whims of a dictator. Most dictatorial countries don't end well, and end up losing much of the wealth and prosperity they had accumulated.
And that's the exception. Majority don't even accumulate wealth and end up stagnating under their supreme leader.

Also, constitutions are made to be amended. Nothing wrong with some Kenyans advocating for amendments, as long as the right procedure is followed.

Tanzania Tops Region in Democracy Index
Acha kupoteza muda wako kushindana na Tanzania, Kenya imepitwa na Tanzania katika maeneo mengi sana, machache yaliyobaki si muda mrefu itapitwa.

 

[Mwanzi1]

It's better to build a nation based on structures than the whims of a dictator. Most dictatorial countries don't end well, and end up losing much of the wealth and prosperity they had accumulated.
And that's the exception. Majority don't even accumulate wealth and end up stagnating under their supreme leader.

Also, constitutions are made to be amended. Nothing wrong with some Kenyans advocating for amendments, as long as the right procedure is followed.

I find it hard to believe that constitution amendment in Kenya has anything to do with building structures. If you tell me it is more to fulfil someone's desire and strengthen the position of particular group of people, I'll believe you. A serious country with serious leadership will not touch condition for personal gains. We were told new Kenyan constitution, would stamp out tribalism, corruption and favouritism, but clearly that didn't happen. The current constitution has strip in half presidential powers, so what's the point to have that president. I see some suggestion Kenya want to have ceremonial president, topical Kenyan way of thinking, expenses expenses expenses.

You might came up with all catchy names to describe our president (IMO, that's ignorance of you). But archiving 90% of all the things he planned to archive for half the time he was given, I'll take that any time. And strangely enough, we pay him 4x LESS, than what you guys are paying your non archiving president. And taking about wealth, every financial institution under the sun, believe that we're in better position than any country surrounding Tanzania. Meanwhile, there is a country which is about to collapse under its ow weight of debt's.

 

[kennedy0000]

I find it hard to believe that constitution amendment in Kenya has anything to do with building structures. If you tell me it is more to fulfil someone's desire and strengthen the position of particular group of people, I'll believe you. A serious country with serious leadership will not touch condition for personal gains. We were told new Kenyan constitution, would stamp out tribalism, corruption and favouritism, but clearly that didn't happen. The current constitution has strip in half presidential powers, so what's the point to have that president. I see some suggestion Kenya want to have ceremonial president, topical Kenyan way of thinking, expenses expenses expenses.

You might came up with all catchy names to describe our president (IMO, that's ignorance of you). But archiving 90% of all the things he planned to archive for half the time he was given, I'll take that any time. And strangely enough, we pay him 4x LESS, than what you guys are paying your non archiving president. And taking about wealth, every financial institution under the sun, believe that we're in better position than any country surrounding Tanzania. Meanwhile, there is a country which is about to collapse under its ow weight of debt's.

It is because of strong governance structures that today the president of Kenya cannot wake up and amend the constitution. These structures and procedures are what matters in a country. If you don't have them you are doomed.
Whatever the motive for amending the constitution is, it will be subjected to a vote by the people, if it ever gets to that point.

And if you knew anything about Kenya, you would know that it is actually the opposition and some civil society members pushing for these amendments. Jubilee, and I believe the majority of Kenyans are in no mood for a referendum.

The only thing Magufuli has achieved is drama, theatrics and isolation. And he is also very good at propaganda.

 

[Mwanzi1]

It is because of strong governance structures that today the president of Kenya cannot wake up and amend the constitution. These structures and procedures are what matters in a country. If you don't have them you are doomed.
Whatever the motive for amending the constitution is, it will be subjected to a vote by the people, if it ever gets to that point.

And if you knew anything about Kenya, you would know that it is actually the opposition and some civil society members pushing for these amendments. Jubilee, and I believe the majority of Kenyans are in no mood for a referendum.

The only thing Magufuli has achieved is drama, theatrics and isolation. And he is also very good at propaganda.

This will not be the end of constitution change in Kenya, in Tanzania we have 40year all constitution, and no one is misrepresented, under current constitution. Same as any other serious country which puts the interest of it's people first above selfishness of individuals.

 

[kennedy0000]

Tanzania Tops Region in Democracy Index
Acha kupoteza muda wako kushindana na Tanzania, Kenya imepitwa na Tanzania katika maeneo mengi sana, machache yaliyobaki si muda mrefu itapitwa.

Kenya GDP 2010 - $40 b
Tanzania GDP 2010 - $31 b
Gap - $9 billion

Kenya GDP 2015 - $63 b
Tanzania GDP 2015 - 45 b
Gap - $18 billion

Kenya GDP 2017 - $79 b
Tanzania GDP 2017 - $51 b
Gap - $28 billion

Since Magufuli took over, the gap between our GDP has been expanding at record pace.

Ile kitu tu Tanzania imepita Kenya ni infant mortality.

 

[kennedy0000]

This will not be the end of constitution change in Kenya, in Tanzania we have 40year all constitution, and no one is misrepresented, under current constitution. Same as any other serious country which puts the interest of it's people first above selfishness of individuals.

Clearly, like your fellow countrymen, you don't know the difference between 'constitutional change' and 'constitutional amendment'.
Even if we go for 100 referendums, our new constitution is not changing.

Your constitution in Tanzania is weak. Ours is people-centred. Unlike yours, here in Kenya parliament cannot sit in one afternoon and make major changes. They will have to get permission from the people through a referendum.

A country like the US has had a constitutional amendment once every 7 years. Here in Kenya we are already in our 8th year and no amendment so far.

Also, you are no different from those who just jump their mouth all over without knowing the content.
The proposed amendments are mostly about reducing the number of governors and MPs so as to save on wages. What is selfish about that?

You like jumping on a topic you have zero knowledge about.

 

[ni ngumu]

Wanatumikia nchi yao ndugu yangu, kama hakuna vita kazi ndio huwa ni vita

Usisumbuke kumuelewesha mtu aliyeamua kutokuelewa...

 

[joto la jiwe]

It is because of strong governance structures that today the president of Kenya cannot wake up and amend the constitution. These structures and procedures are what matters in a country. If you don't have them you are doomed.
Whatever the motive for amending the constitution is, it will be subjected to a vote by the people, if it ever gets to that point.

And if you knew anything about Kenya, you would know that it is actually the opposition and some civil society members pushing for these amendments. Jubilee, and I believe the majority of Kenyans are in no mood for a referendum.

The only thing Magufuli has achieved is drama, theatrics and isolation. And he is also very good at propaganda.

Strong government is the one which addresses people's challenges not the one which incapacitate president, tell us which main Kenya's problems have been addressed since you started using new constitution 8 years back?
Problems facing Kenyans are
1)Tribalism
2)Corruption
3)Land distribution
4)Nepotism
5)Insecurity
6)unemployment
7)Gap between richer and poorer
8)Poverty

 

[Mwanzi1]

Clearly, like your fellow countrymen, you don't know the difference between 'constitutional change' and 'constitutional amendment'.
Even if we go for 100 referendums, our new constitution is not changing.

Your constitution in Tanzania is weak. Ours is people-centred. Unlike yours, here in Kenya parliament cannot sit in one afternoon and make major changes. They will have to get permission from the people through a referendum.

A country like the US has had a constitutional amendment once every 7 years. Here in Kenya we are already in our 8th year and no amendment so far.

Also, you are no different from those who just jump their mouth all over without knowing the content.
The proposed amendments are mostly about reducing the number of governors and MPs so as to save on wages. What is selfish about that?

You like jumping on a topic you have zero knowledge about.

Haha, don't let me school you on this, you amend clues on constitution for things which are already there. When you introduce a position of Prime Minister 2008, you didn't just amend constitution, you change it. It was changed because laws to guide the position of Prime Minister has to be written from scratch. You don't amend something you don't have, If you have clues on current constitution indicating the position of ceremonial president please, share that with us. You might think this is about amending few things here and there, politician they love this moments because they can use this time to add whatever they think its good for them politically. You just sit there and wait for hefty bill just like it was 2010.

 

[Mwanzi1]

Strong government is the one which addresses people's challenges not the one which incapacitate president, tell us which main Kenya's problems have been addressed since you started using new constitution 8 years back?
Problems facing Kenyans are
1)Tribalism
2)Corruption
3)Land distribution
4)Nepotism
5)Insecurity
6)unemployment
7)Gap between richer and poorer
8)Poverty

I'm not Kenyan but all answer that. NON

Not a single one on that list have been achieve, na huyo jamaa anajua vizuri.

 

[joto la jiwe]

Kenya GDP 2010 - $40 b
Tanzania GDP 2010 - $31 b
Gap - $9 billion

Kenya GDP 2015 - $63 b
Tanzania GDP 2015 - 45 b
Gap - $18 billion

Kenya GDP 2017 - $79 b
Tanzania GDP 2017 - $51 b
Gap - $28 billion

Since Magufuli took over, the gap between our GDP has been expanding at record pace.

Ile kitu tu Tanzania imepita Kenya ni infant mortality.

Ukitaka kujua kwamba wewe na wengine wote mnaoamini hizi data kwamba mna matatizo ya kufikiria. Kwa miaka zaidi ya kumi sasa uchumi wa Tanzania inakua kwa 7%, Kenya 5.5%, iweje gap liongezeke kama sio kupika data?.

Hivi gari mbili zinafukuzana, moja imetangulia 9km mbele, ila inakimbia kwa kasi ya 5.5km/hr, na ingine IPO nyuma umbali wa 9Km, lakini inakimbia kwa kasi ya 7km/h, hivi gap la 9km kati yao itapungua au kuongezeka?. Shule zenu zaidi ya corruption na tribalism ni zaidi mnafundishwa?

 

[kennedy0000]

Ukitaka kujua kwamba wewe na wengine wote mnaoamini hizi data kwamba mna matatizo ya kufikiria. Kwa 9miaka zaidi ya kumi sasa uchumi wa Tanzania inakua kwa 7%, Kenya 5.5%, iweje gap liongezeke kama sio kupika data?.

Hivi gari mbili zinafukuzana, moja imetangulia 9km mbele, ila inakimbia kwa kasi ya 5.5km/hr, na ingine IPO nyuma umbali wa 9Km, lakini inakimbia kwa kasi ya 7km/h, hivi gap la 9km kati yao itapungua au kuongezeka?. Shule zenu zaidi ya corruption na tribalism ni zaidi mnafundishwa?

GDP figures hazitoki kwa serikali. Zinatoka kwa IMF, World Bank na wengineo.

Growth rate figures zinatoka sana sana kwa serikali. Na ni wazi kwamba serikali ya CCM ni mabingwa wa kupika data. Ukweli ni kwamba growth rate yenu labda haijawai pita 2%.

You can live in denial forever.

Also, as much as you doubt the economists, the evidence is clear in everything else.

From the number of cars Kenyans buy (almost double that of Tanzania)
To the number of air passengers (almost double Tanzania)
To the government revenue (almost double Tanzania)

It took great minds to come up with the GDP formula. And now the ratio works almost perfectly every time.

Ratio ya GDP of Tanzania to Kenya 51:79.. We can simplify that to 50:80 or 5:8.
Dividing even further, the ratio comes to about 1:1.6
Kumaanisha, Kenya's GDP is 1.6 times larger than Tanzania's.

If we took every other number eg. ratio of air passengers between the two countries. Or ratio of people who own cars, or ratio of both government's revenue... you will find it is always close to 1:1.6.

In almost everything that demonstrates the purchasing power of citizens in the two countries, you'll find something close to the golden ratio of 1:1.6.

 

[kennedy0000]

Haha, don't let me school you on this, you amend clues on constitution for things which are already there. When you introduce a position of Prime Minister 2008, you didn't just amend constitution, you change it. It was changed because laws to guide the position of Prime Minister has to be written from scratch. You don't amend something you don't have, If you have clues on current constitution indicating the position of ceremonial president please, share that with us. You might think this is about amending few things here and there, politician they love this moments because they can use this time to add whatever they think its good for them politically. You just sit there and wait for hefty bill just like it was 2010.

You're extraordinarily dumb.
Introducing a position of prime minister is simply amending the section on government structure.
But since I'm sure English is a problem over there, you might be surprised to know that amend is just another word for change.

In your simple mind, you think amend is simply deleting. You think you can make amendments without introducing new vocabulary?

When the US amended the constitution to make alcohol prohibited (18th amendment), was it something they had? Tanzania's education system cannot not allow you to know that an amendment can also be introduced from thin air.

Amend is simply the legal jargon for adding or deleting something from a constitution.

Changing a constitution is what we did in 2010. The entire document was trashed and a new one written.
We're not planning to repeat that.

 

[kennedy0000]

Strong government is the one which addresses people's challenges not the one which incapacitate president, tell us which main Kenya's problems have been addressed since you started using new constitution 8 years back?
Problems facing Kenyans are
1)Tribalism
2)Corruption
3)Land distribution
4)Nepotism
5)Insecurity
6)unemployment
7)Gap between richer and poorer
8)Poverty

The main problem in Kenya is poverty.
When we solve that, we will have solved almost everything.

Tribalism - No rich person is ready to fight for someone else.
Corruption - 99% of corruption in Kenya is low level, where poorly paid workers ask for bribes.
Land distribution - When 90% of the population lives and works in urban areas, land is a non-issue. Only Africa ever talks about land.
Insecurity - Self explanatory. Unemployment will be reduced.
Unemployment - Self explanatory.
Gap between rich and poor - We don't care about the gap. No one will be stopped from getting richer. We're not a socialist country. We just need to help the poor out of poverty.

The good news is we're fighting poverty with a lot of urgency. That's why we are borrowing right, left and centre.
Tanzania is in no hurry to fight poverty.

 

[joto la jiwe]

The main problem in Kenya is poverty.
When we solve that, we will have solved almost everything.

Tribalism - No rich person is ready to fight for someone else.
Corruption - 99% of corruption in Kenya is low level, where poorly paid workers ask for bribes.
Land distribution - When 90% of the population lives and works in urban areas, land is a non-issue. Only Africa ever talks about land.
Insecurity - Self explanatory. Unemployment will be reduced.
Unemployment - Self explanatory.
Gap between rich and poor - We don't care about the gap. No one will be stopped from getting richer. We're not a socialist country. We just need to help the poor out of poverty.

The good news is we're fighting poverty with a lot of urgency. That's why we are borrowing right, left and centre.
Tanzania is in no hurry to fight poverty.

Hahahaha hahahaha, unadhani umeelewa kwamba katiba mpya haijasaidia lolote katika kutatua matatizo ya wakenya, umeshindwa kutoa measurable evidence kuonyesha hivyo hapo juu vimepungua kwa kiasi gani kutokana na upatikanaji wa katika mpya, badala take unapiga domo tupu.

 

[Mwanzi1]

You're extraordinarily dumb.
Introducing a position of prime minister is simply amending the section on government structure.
But since I'm sure English is a problem over there, you might be surprised to know that amend is just another word for change.

In your simple mind, you think amend is simply deleting. You think you can make amendments without introducing new vocabulary?

When the US amended the constitution to make alcohol prohibited (18th amendment), was it something they had? Tanzania's education system cannot not allow you to know that an amendment can also be introduced from thin air.

Amend is simply the legal jargon for adding or deleting something from a constitution.

Changing a constitution is what we did in 2010. The entire document was trashed and a new one written.
We're not planning to repeat that.

I told you, you don't amend anything was not written down before, you write a new section. Show us where in constitution the current Kenya constitution which shows the position of a prime minister for you to amend. Your tirelessly arguing things such are not there; there is one thing changing constitution like Uganda did abolishing age limit of president (which mean deleting a section on constitution and write another one afresh) and amending small clues like presidential salary which is already there. In Kenya people are taking introducing ceremonial president and prime minister, non of this exists on the current constitution. Even if is 1% if something new going in the constitution that is change from what you have before.

 

[narumuk]

When you go out of the scope of your work, you are entitled to allowances.

Alafu, kwani mnapanga kutumia jeshi kukarabati reli? Isn't it a civilian project.

I have no trouble with training the military on handy skills, lakini nimesema tu supreme leader asiende akawatumia kama free labour.

Hivi unajua Civil engineering ilipokwa kutokla military engineering? Hapa JPM amelamba dume. Cheki Egypt wanavyotumia jeshi lao katika kazi kama hizi

 

[Lung'wecha]

When you go out of the scope of your work, you are entitled to allowances.

Alafu, kwani mnapanga kutumia jeshi kukarabati reli? Isn't it a civilian project.

I have no trouble with training the military on handy skills, lakini nimesema tu supreme leader asiende akawatumia kama free labour.

How sure are you that, the recruited military based civil engineers are not entitled with allowance!??? So far their scope is not limited to that extent


Soma jeshi la marekani uone linavyojenga madaraja ya Nchi yake

 

[Mhandisi Mzalendo]

Bora wawe busy waache kupiga wananchi hovyo...
Huwa hawana kazi kabsa