Never mess with the Russians

All this is meaningless in the battlefield..naona warusi mnashangilia sana vitu cheap....huwez fanya ndomboloo kama hiyo kweny uwanja wa vita,unless otherwise unataka ufe mapema....Inge sound sasna kma hiyo su-30 ingeweza kufanya vertical take off kidgo ingekuwa reasonable kwenye uwanja wa vita sabab ingeweza kutake off faster bila kupita kwe runway....That shit can be applicable only kwenye maonyesho....
 
Kinyungu said:
If you want over priced high tech junk
Hollywood fantasy weapons, buy from
the US.

If you want fancy and shiny weapons,
buy from Germany.

If you want cosmetic and sissy
weapons, buy from France.

If you want cheap weapons, buy from
China.

If you're going to fight and win, buy
from Russia.
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Weka evidence ya vita ambazo zilihusisha silaha za US na Russia tuone nanin mbabe
me natoa mifano hapa
1.iraq war
2.gulf war
3.afghanistan war(mujahdeen against russian invension)
4.Six day war
5.yom kipur war
6.....
weka na wewe zako tuone sio kuongea porojo bila evidence
 
SirChief said:
Weka evidence ya vita ambazo zilihusisha silaha za US na Russia tuone nanin mbabe
me natoa mifano hapa
1.iraq war
2.gulf war
3.afghanistan war(mujahdeen against russian invension)
4.Six day war
5.yom kipur war
6.....
weka na wewe zako tuone sio kuongea porojo bila evidence
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Hapo umeongea maana wanatuonyesha ndege inacheza chura tu hapa
 
SirChief said:
Weka evidence ya vita ambazo zilihusisha silaha za US na Russia tuone nanin mbabe
me natoa mifano hapa
1.iraq war
2.gulf war
3.afghanistan war(mujahdeen against russian invension)
4.Six day war
5.yom kipur war
6.....
weka na wewe zako tuone sio kuongea porojo bila evidence
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SirChief said:
Weka evidence ya vita ambazo zilihusisha silaha za US na Russia tuone nanin mbabe
me natoa mifano hapa
1.iraq war
2.gulf war
3.afghanistan war(mujahdeen against russian invension)
4.Six day war
5.yom kipur war
6.....
weka na wewe zako tuone sio kuongea porojo bila evidence
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SirChief said:
Weka evidence ya vita ambazo zilihusisha silaha za US na Russia tuone nanin mbabe
me natoa mifano hapa
1.iraq war
2.gulf war
3.afghanistan war(mujahdeen against russian invension)
4.Six day war
5.yom kipur war
6.....
weka na wewe zako tuone sio kuongea porojo bila evidence
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SirChief said:
Weka evidence ya vita ambazo zilihusisha silaha za US na Russia tuone nanin mbabe
me natoa mifano hapa
1.iraq war
2.gulf war
3.afghanistan war(mujahdeen against russian invension)
4.Six day war
5.yom kipur war
6.....
weka na wewe zako tuone sio kuongea porojo bila evidence
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SirChief said:
Weka evidence ya vita ambazo zilihusisha silaha za US na Russia tuone nanin mbabe
me natoa mifano hapa
1.iraq war
2.gulf war
3.afghanistan war(mujahdeen against russian invension)
4.Six day war
5.yom kipur war
6.....
weka na wewe zako tuone sio kuongea porojo bila evidence
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I can see you're very much driven by emotion than facts..now lets go slowly..

Fact #1: Iraq war....did USA win the war?
Ans. big NO. The war is still going on.
Loser: USA.
Evidence: Republican lost election to Dem because American were tired of the number of death of their solders.

Fact #2: Gulf war..Do you really know how many contries were involved in this war? Which weapons were used? Unless you tell me germany, uk, french weapons are counted as USA. Nevertheless USA did not win the war outright Sadam survived for the next 13yrs or so and USA has to start another war i.e Iraq war to finish the unfinished war. Refer Fact#1 above.

Fact #3: Afghanistan war. If you were clever you wouldn't put that war as reference. Remember the war there is not over and USA is the biggest loser.

Fact #4: Six day war and Yom Kippur. It seems you don't even understand the secret behind Israel victory. So i wont go for it.

Now look here how the real men win the war:

Georgia vs South Osetia.
Outright winner South Osetia.

Crimea(Ukraine) vs Russia
Outright winner Russia


Russia vs Georgia
Russia crashes Georgia in five days
Russo-Georgian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Abkhazi vs Georgia
Outright winner Abkhazia

Yemen Houth rebels vs Saudia Arabia n its allies
Winner Houth. They are now in control of 3/4 of the country

Hezbollah vs Israel 2006
Results..Hezbolla win
2006 Lebanon War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Kinyungu said:
I can see you're very much driven by emotion than facts..now lets go slowly..

Fact #1: Iraq war....did USA win the war?
Ans. big NO. The war is still going on.
Loser: USA.
Evidence: Republican lost election to Dem because American were tired of the number of death of their solders.

Fact #2: Gulf war..Do you really know how many contries were involved in this war? Which weapons were used? Unless you tell me germany, uk, french weapons are counted as USA. Nevertheless USA did not win the war outright Sadam survived for the next 13yrs or so and USA has to start another war i.e Iraq war to finish the unfinished war. Refer Fact#1 above.

Fact #3: Afghanistan war. If you were clever you wouldn't put that war as reference. Remember the war there is not over and USA is the biggest loser.

Fact #4: Six day war and Yom Kippur. It seems you don't even understand the secret behind Israel victory. So i wont go for it.

Now look here how the real men win the war:

Georgia vs South Osetia.
Outright winner South Osetia.

Crimea(Ukraine) vs Russia
Outright winner Russia


Abkhazi vs Georgia
Outright winner Abkhazia

Yemen Houth rebels vs Saudia Arabia n its allies
Winner Houth. They are now in control of 3/4 of the country

Hezbollah vs Israel 2006
Results..Hezbolla win
2006 Lebanon War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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We jamaa unaongea kinafki na kishabiki sana..yaani kwa kili zako hadi sasa hivi unasema iraq war U.S walishindwa?
kichekesho cha mwaka,halafu ulivyo kilaza unasema hoyuth rebel wameshinda vita yemen,wakat still war is going on..
1.Kichwa maji unataja eti russia alishinda vita crimea,ivi kulishawahi tokea vita pale au ilikuwa referendum iliyopelekea crimea kujitenga peacefuly
2.vita zote za istrael walishinda kwa kutumia silaha za u.s against useless russsian arms..kama hutaki bas utakuwa na sabab zako either za kidini au za kishabiki zinazopelekea ushindwe ku accept the fact
3.umenitajia vita ndogo sana alizopigana russia,vita za kitoto
4.vita niliyokutajia kati ya Mujahdeen na russia ni enzi za cold war sio hii ya sasa ya hawa ma taliban..vita hiyo russia alikimbia vibaya sana kwa aibu ...silaha walizokuwa wanatumia mujahdeen ni kutoka U.S na walishinda vita against the powerfull ussr
5.Gulf war nimeitaja kwa sababu U.S ndio alichangia 70% ya silaha na kila kitu hadi steath bombers F-117 zilizoenda kuharibu infrastructure za radar za sadam.
6.mpaka sasa hajaweza kunishawishi ni ki vipi na ni wapi silaha za Russia zilishawahi kuwa best against U.S
 
SirChief said:
We jamaa unaongea kinafki na kishabiki sana..yaani kwa kili zako hadi sasa hivi unasema iraq war U.S walishindwa?
kichekesho cha mwaka,halafu ulivyo ****** unasema hoyuth rebel wameshinda vita yemen,wakat still war is going on..
1.Kichwa maji unataja eti russia alishinda vita crimea,ivi kulishawahi tokea vita pale au ilikuwa referendum iliyopelekea crimea kujitenga peacefuly
2.vita zote za istrael walishinda kwa kutumia silaha za u.s against useless russsian arms..kama hutaki bas utakuwa na sabab zako either za kidini au za kishabiki zinazopelekea ushindwe ku accept the fact
3.umenitajia vita ndogo sana alizopigana russia,vita za kitoto
4.vita niliyokutajia kati ya Mujahdeen na russia ni enzi za cold war sio hii ya sasa ya hawa ma taliban..vita hiyo russia alikimbia vibaya sana kwa aibu ...silaha walizokuwa wanatumia mujahdeen ni kutoka U.S na walishinda vita against the powerfull ussr
5.Gulf war nimeitaja kwa sababu U.S ndio alichangia 70% ya silaha na kila kitu hadi steath bombers F-117 zilizoenda kuharibu infrastructure za radar za sadam.
6.mpaka sasa hajaweza kunishawishi ni ki vipi na ni wapi silaha za Russia zilishawahi kuwa best against U.S
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Inaonekana unatumia nguvu badala ya akili. Kwanza nataka nikwambie hakuna vita ndogo wala kubwa. Vita ni vita.

Pia kama USA alishinda vita ya Gulf, mwaka 2003 arudi tena kufanya nn?
 
SirChief said:
We jamaa unaongea kinafki na kishabiki sana..yaani kwa kili zako hadi sasa hivi unasema iraq war U.S walishindwa?
kichekesho cha mwaka,halafu ulivyo ****** unasema hoyuth rebel wameshinda vita yemen,wakat still war is going on..
1.Kichwa maji unataja eti russia alishinda vita crimea,ivi kulishawahi tokea vita pale au ilikuwa referendum iliyopelekea crimea kujitenga peacefuly
2.vita zote za istrael walishinda kwa kutumia silaha za u.s against useless russsian arms..kama hutaki bas utakuwa na sabab zako either za kidini au za kishabiki zinazopelekea ushindwe ku accept the fact
3.umenitajia vita ndogo sana alizopigana russia,vita za kitoto
4.vita niliyokutajia kati ya Mujahdeen na russia ni enzi za cold war sio hii ya sasa ya hawa ma taliban..vita hiyo russia alikimbia vibaya sana kwa aibu ...silaha walizokuwa wanatumia mujahdeen ni kutoka U.S na walishinda vita against the powerfull ussr
5.Gulf war nimeitaja kwa sababu U.S ndio alichangia 70% ya silaha na kila kitu hadi steath bombers F-117 zilizoenda kuharibu infrastructure za radar za sadam.
6.mpaka sasa hajaweza kunishawishi ni ki vipi na ni wapi silaha za Russia zilishawahi kuwa best against U.S
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Unajua Wasomali walimfanya nini USA kule mogadishu? Au nayo ni vita ndogo?
 
Kinyungu said:
Unajua Wasomali walimfanya nini USA kule mogadishu? Au nayo ni vita ndogo?
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It wasnt a war,wamarekani walienda pale kam pe4ace keepers na kwa nia ya ku control upatikanaji wa chakula coz wasomali walikuwa wanakufa sabab ya vita ya wenyewe kwa wenyewe na njaa...hadi waliposhambuliwa na wapiganaji wa yule mbabe wa kivita somalia kwa kudungua helkopta ya marekani,wamarekani takribani 20+ walikufa kwe lile shambulio..ndo wakaamua kujiwithdraw coz hawakuja kwa nia ya vita so why wauaqwe sababu ya watu wasiopenda msaada?..hata congress walipinga sana askar wao kufa bila sabab,ndo wakaamua kujwithdraw..but It wasn,t a war kama watu mnavyoipersive...
Mkuu tuliaa huu mchezo hauhitaji hasira...Afu punguza ushabiki maandazi coz utajiliwaza tuu moyoni na hutakuwa umesaidia kitu..fact inapingwa kwa fact sio propaganda na show off za kitoto kama izo mzlizoweka apo JUU.
 
Kinyungu said:
Inaonekana unatumia nguvu badala ya akili. Kwanza nataka nikwambie hakuna vita ndogo wala kubwa. Vita ni vita.

Pia kama USA alishinda vita ya Gulf, mwaka 2003 arudi tena kufanya nn?
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Never argue with a fool, he will take you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Usiende mbali sana, vita nyingi tu ambazo U.S hardware zimetumika lakini bado wakashindwa.Na kuna nchi zimetumia silaha za Urusi na bado zikanyukwa vilevile. Muhimu kujua hata vita haipiganwi na silaha peke yake. Hivyo basi tunaangalia vitu kama Manpower, Economic stability,Training, Political Stability, and Alliances.

Vita zifuatazo silaha za U.S.A zilitumika lakini wakashindwa vile vile;

Korean war 1950-1953 US hardware used but communists won

Chinese civil war 1945-1949 U.S hardware used but communists won.

Vietnam war 1955-1975 U.S hardware used but communists won again.

Bay of pigs 1961 (U.S commandos and Cuban rebels) were defeated by the ill equipped Cuban army led by Ernesto Che Guevara.

Chechen-Russian War 1995-2004 rebels used U.S hardware but were ruthlessly crushed by Putin.

Iran-Iraq war 1979-1988 Iraq were given Weapons by the U.S but the war ended in a truce. No body won.

Hivyo achana na mjinga anayefikiri anajua kumbe hajui.
 
gwijimimi said:
Do u even know why wameipa huo uwezo?
Kujifanya wajuaji tu wenzenu wanajua how technological advancement t is
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mkuu, moja kati ya targets za msingi katika vita huwa ni viwanja vya ndege za kivita kupigwa mabomu kwenye runways ili kuzuia ndege kukimbia kwa kasi na kuondoka kwenda kufanya mashambulizi. sasa kwa technology kama hii ya Russia, hii ndege inaweza kutoka straight kwenye hanger na kuruka pasipo kuhitaji momentum ya kuanza kumbia.......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
MALCOM LUMUMBA said:
Never argue with a fool, he will take you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Usiende mbali sana, vita nyingi tu ambazo U.S hardware zimetumika lakini bado wakashindwa.Na kuna nchi zimetumia silaha za Urusi na bado zikanyukwa vilevile. Muhimu kujua hata vita haipiganwi na silaha peke yake. Hivyo basi tunaangalia vitu kama Manpower, Economic stability,Training, Political Stability, and Alliances.

Vita zifuatazo silaha za U.S.A zilitumika lakini wakashindwa vile vile;

Korean war 1950-1953 US hardware used but communists won

Chinese civil war 1945-1949 U.S hardware used but communists won.

Vietnam war 1955-1975 U.S hardware used but communists won again.

Bay of pigs 1961 (U.S commandos and Cuban rebels) were defeated by the ill equipped Cuban army led by Ernesto Che Guevara.

Chechen-Russian War 1995-2004 rebels used U.S hardware but were ruthlessly crushed by Putin.

Iran-Iraq war 1979-1988 Iraq were given Weapons by the U.S but the war ended in a truce. No body won.

Hivyo achana na mjinga anayefikiri anajua kumbe hajui.
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Kwa iyo ulichoandika hapo kinatofauti gani na mimi nlichoandika kule juu...wwe utaja vita ambazo silaha za kirusi zilitumika na zikashinda,Mimi nmetaja ambazo silaha za u.s zilitumika wakashinda vita...So point yangu ni kumjibu huyo Akili ndogo mwenzio aliyesema silaha za U.S ni ghali na hazina kitu...
Pia mlichokileta hapa ni one sided story na show off za kawaida ambazo kwe real combat ni meaningless....
Afu next tyme usiwe na hasira mzee Lumimba,tulia na jenga hoja kwa utulivu,kejeli na dharau za kitoto azikusaidii na wala hazitobadili chochote....
The super power atabaki kuwa ivyo unless otherwise itokee wa kum beat...
It cost to be a super power bro,sio show off za kipuuzi hiz mnazoleta hapa,you hav to prove it....
 
SirChief said:
All this is meaningless in the battlefield..naona warusi mnashangilia sana vitu cheap....huwez fanya ndomboloo kama hiyo kweny uwanja wa vita,unless otherwise unataka ufe mapema....Inge sound sasna kma hiyo su-30 ingeweza kufanya vertical take off kidgo ingekuwa reasonable kwenye uwanja wa vita sabab ingeweza kutake off faster bila kupita kwe runway....That shit can be applicable only kwenye maonyesho....
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ninakusamehe bure
moja kati ya targets za msingi katika vita huwa ni viwanja vya ndege za kivita kupigwa mabomu kwenye runways ili kuzuia ndege kukimbia kwa kasi na kuondoka kwenda kufanya mashambulizi. sasa kwa technology kama hii ya Russia, hii ndege inaweza kutoka straight kwenye hanger na kuruka pasipo kuhitaji momentum ya kuanza kumbia.......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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