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joto la jiwe said:
Millions starve as food crunch bites yet again
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Ok, mister mister!

Tanzania: 78% of People Affected By Food Shortages - Study

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Mwanzi1 said:
I wonder which Kenya you want me to visit, the state house Kenya or the Umoja Kenya? I know you're trying hard to justify why Kenya export cash crops and import food , but the Qatar comparison doesn't work. Qatar only have 1% of arable land, compared to 10% of Kenya. Kenya has huge cheap labour plus good amount of water reserves. The problem with Kenya food security is all comes down to land management, who has the land, how they use it, and how much is actually benefit the majority population. You've raise an argument that Kenya was not blessed with mineral like other african countries, but there countries with similar position with more harsher weather conditions than Kenya but they don't go hungry. Samuell999 use to bring somes positive ideas, elaborating how Kenya could do better than Israel or New Zealand, none of them were rocket science.

I said this before, Kenya has been left in hands of top 1% for far too long, these people have lost touch with the wider population. From Kenyatta Sr, Moi, Kibaki, kenyatta Jr are not your average man. I very doubt they truly understand the life of common mwananchi. You might come with fancy HDI numbers, some eye watering GDP numbers, but those numbers means nothing to Wainaina, Kiplagat or Odongo if they can't access cheap unga or reasonable health insurance. Kenya is doing the same mistake Nigeria have been doing for years, they export oil, import refined oil products. Kenya export tea, imports maize. Why this is happening in Kenya? Is because Mr. Richman (top 1%) is sitting on huge chunk of fertile land and he's the one decides what will be produce on that land and where it will be sold. The white settlers scattered around countryside are producing crops to feed their sibling in Europe. And you expect miracle will happen to people in Wajir they will have enough food to feed themselves.
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Please, stop talking as if Tanzania is so much better than Kenya. I already posted links of 78% of Tanzanians not having enough to eat and 35% of Tanzanian kids being malnourished which is a bigger shame since Tanzania has 10 times more arable land than Kenya with just 5 million more people.

Back to the topic. I simply used the Qatar example because in your first post you seemed to insinuate that importing food is same to being failed. That's it.

I ask you to visit Kenya because you know nothing about Kenya. See - flowers are grown in Kenya in greenhouses in Naivasha. If you had visited Kenya like you claim, you'd definitely know Naivasha is arid and you can't grow maize in Naivasha. To make it simpler to you, if Naivasha was in Tanzania, you'd be growing nothing there - completely nothing. The production of flowers in Kenya is just one of the reasons why Kenya is more developed than all the other countries in the region despite having the least resources - something to admire, not detest like you're doing. Please do visit Kenya and understand.

Why are you so concerned by Kenya's internal problems though yet your country is worse of? I mean, your country is second after DRC in terms of resources in Africa yet 70% of Dar is a slum, 78% of your peeps suffer food shortages, 35% of your kids are malnourished and your ports are as efficient as a donkey trying to climb a tree. Perhaps if people like you put the energy they put in worrying about Kenya's problems to their country, you'd be where South Africa is now.
 
joto la jiwe said:
I take only UN report, Twaweza is a Tanzanian but it still needs to grow, UN report has said it all, "With the population of 50 Million, Tanzania is food self sufficient at National level,", that is what we want to be self sufficient at National level. What do you want to tell me?
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Please stop beating around the bush and bring us the world bank report that states Kenya has 48% unemployment and Tz has 26% unemployment. Which school did you go to?
 
joto la jiwe said:
My brother, many Kenyans die in Turkana and Pokot communities every year than you can imaging, Red cross and other international communities do report these deaths and takes photos but GoK keeps on denying.

It doesn't matter how much Kenya spends on maize, what is more important is that, Kenyans must have food on their tables, with corruption and nepotism at their highest levels, big portion of money intended for maize will not buy maize, and big portion of maize will not get to the intended population.

It is not easy for a country like Kenya with 48% unemployment rate, and 75% of population survives on subsistence agriculture, to depend on imported food, Government can' t afford to pay for it, and if it happens, then those unemployed and peasants can't buy it.
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How many die annually due to hunger. Provide the proof.

And what is employment anyway?

Kenya, Rwanda have highest informal jobs in Africa
 
Mwanzi1 said:
I wonder which Kenya you want me to visit, the state house Kenya or the Umoja Kenya? I know you're trying hard to justify why Kenya export cash crops and import food , but the Qatar comparison doesn't work. Qatar only have 1% of arable land, compared to 10% of Kenya. Kenya has huge cheap labour plus good amount of water reserves. The problem with Kenya food security is all comes down to land management, who has the land, how they use it, and how much is actually benefit the majority population. You've raise an argument that Kenya was not blessed with mineral like other african countries, but there countries with similar position with more harsher weather conditions than Kenya but they don't go hungry. Samuell999 use to bring somes positive ideas, elaborating how Kenya could do better than Israel or New Zealand, none of them were rocket science.

I said this before, Kenya has been left in hands of top 1% for far too long, these people have lost touch with the wider population. From Kenyatta Sr, Moi, Kibaki, kenyatta Jr are not your average man. I very doubt they truly understand the life of common mwananchi. You might come with fancy HDI numbers, some eye watering GDP numbers, but those numbers means nothing to Wainaina, Kiplagat or Odongo if they can't access cheap unga or reasonable health insurance. Kenya is doing the same mistake Nigeria have been doing for years, they export oil, import refined oil products. Kenya export tea, imports maize. Why this is happening in Kenya? Is because Mr. Richman (top 1%) is sitting on huge chunk of fertile land and he's the one decides what will be produce on that land and where it will be sold. The white settlers scattered around countryside are producing crops to feed their sibling in Europe. And you expect miracle will happen to people in Wajir they will have enough food to feed themselves.
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I like it...good analysis
 
guys, i didn't create this thread for it to be a battlefield. let's not try to ruin the good friendship intention of the thread.

this is not an appropriate thread to hold battle discussions.
 
Mwanzi1 the funny thing is those cash crops firms are mostly foreign owned a reason GDP ranks Kenya a middle income but with poverty ratio higher than Tanzania's. The truth is all the revenue accrued r being ferried abroad leaving majority with no possibility even to afford food while at the same time squatters in those foreign owned plantations. Kenya is gone to dogs that's the brutal truth.
 
Geza Ulole said:
Mwanzi1 the funny thing is those cash crops firms are mostly foreign owned a reason GDP ranks Kenya a middle income but with poverty ratio higher than Tanzania's. The truth is all the revenue accrued r being ferried abroad leaving majority with no possibility even to afford food while at the same time squatters in those foreign owned plantations. Kenya is gone to dogs that's the brutal truth.
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Steer clear of matters that you don't know about! Kenyans own majority of cash crops investments in Kenya. If a few foreigners dominate the same in Tz same does not replicate in Kenya. If Kenya is gone to the dogs then Tz is a basket case rabid mongrel that no one will keep as a pet!
 
KichwaNgumu254 said:
Steer clear of matters that you don't know about! Kenyans own majority of cash crops investments in Kenya. If a few foreigners dominate the same in Tz same does not replicate in Kenya. If Kenya is gone to the dogs then Tz is a basket case rabid mongrel that no one will keep as a pet!
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Kenyans own Small farms Maximum 5 acre coffee or tea, but there is nothing much to gain for these farmers as the Most lucrative market (EU) has slapped 100% more taxes due to our bigot status of Middle Income. As for flower farms, Most are owned by ex colonial era white farmers or asians who bank their money at HSBC or bank of boroda- india. It not well with them either, shah Karuturi the biggest flower farm in Naivasha closed down some 3 years ago due to high EU taxes. Oserian flower farm is almost bankrupt, may close this year
 
KichwaNgumu254 said:
Steer clear of matters that you don't know about! Kenyans own majority of cash crops investments in Kenya. If a few foreigners dominate the same in Tz same does not replicate in Kenya. If Kenya is gone to the dogs then Tz is a basket case rabid mongrel that no one will keep as a pet!
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Unilever dominates tea n flower industry mostly owned by Dutch companies.
 
NairobiWalker said:
Utangoja data hadi Kesho. He fishes data from his ass.
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No from Ur mum's ass, I got the list below!

Top 8 Kenya Tea Exporters

By Simon

Export Tea in Kenya
Global Tea & Commodities Ltd.

  • Global Tea & Commodities Ltd is one of the fastest growing, fully integrated tea, coffee and macadamia nut companies offering a range of services at all stages of the supply chain.
  • Our tea trading offices in Kenya, Malawi, India and the UK combine to provide total solutions to the tea trade by way of procurement, warehousing and blending services. With packing operations in major tea centres of the world, we provide a wide range of tea and coffee for the private label market (we pack for some of the world’s largest and most exclusive names). We also own quality brands of tea, coffee, Dairy and Confectionary products– Brooke Bond® ‘D’, Brooke Bond® Choicest, Red Mountain Coffee, Jewels, Mama’s Choice and The London Tea & Produce Co.
James Finlay (Mombasa)

  • Finlays was founded in 1750. As a wholly owned subsidiary of the Swire Group, the company has extensive tea and horticultural interests in Kenya, South Africa and Sri Lanka, complemented by global trading, packaging and extraction activities.
  • Finlays’ Tea Estates in Kenya and Sri Lanka cover more than 15,000 hectares and produce 40 million kilos of black tea each year.
Kenya Tea Development Agency Ltd

  • Kenya Tea Development Agency Ltd is the Leading Management agency for the small scale tea farmers in Kenya, Africa.
  • Kenya Tea Development Agency Limited was incorporated on 15th June 2000 as a private company under (CAP 486) of the laws of Kenya, becoming one of the largest private tea management agencies. The Agency currently manages 63 factories in the small-scale tea sub-sector in Kenya
L A B International Kenya Ltd

  • A.B. International Limited is an experienced and professional black tea trading and plantation company with offices in London (UK), Mombasa (Kenya) and Gisenyi (Rwanda).
  • In Mombasa we are one of the major buyers in the weekly Mombasa auction and export in excess of 25 million kilos of black tea, from Mombasa, per annum. In addition to auction buying, we are also able to source teas privately from Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Kenya and Tanzania.
Tetley Tea

  • The Ethical Tea Partnership (ETP) is a non-commercial alliance of 20 international tea packers who share a vision for a thriving tea industry that is socially just and environmentally sustainable. The ETP operates in all the major tea growing regions – Argentina, Brazil, China, India (Assam, Kerala, and Tamil Nadu), Indonesia, Kenya, Malawi, Sri Lanka, and Tanzania. Together these supply over 85% of world tea exports.
  • Key to its success are the five Regional Managers based in Africa, China, India, Indonesia, and Sri Lanka. These are local people who build relationships with tea producers and support them to participate effectively in the ETP program.
Unilever Kenya Ltd

  • Unilever has been growing tea in Kenya since 1924 and has over 8,250 hectares under cultivation.
  • It employs some 12,500 permanent workers in Kericho and up to 4,000 seasonal workers during peak periods, with up to 50,000 people living in company villages on the estates. The estate is certified by the Rainforest Alliance.
Lutex Limited

  • Lutex limited is a tea exporting company incorporated in Kenya and a member of East African Tea Trade Association (EATTA). We are based in Mombasa which is the hub of tea trade in East and Central Africa, although our clients and reputation are spread across the globe.
  • Lutex limited was founded with a team with a rich background in tea industry whose proficiency and professionalism in the industry ensured that clients were supplied with high quality tea triggering off a rapid growth in the company.
Cargill

  • Cargill has been active in Kenya since 1984 when Cargill the company acquired Ralli Brothers and now has around 120 employees based in Mombasa and Nairobi. Activities have to-date revolved around tea handling and storage related services, however we are presently in the process of strategic growth into grains and oilseeds trading.
  • Cargill Kenya is the largest tea exporter out of Mombasa; and received recognition for the second year running from the Tea Board of Kenya as the largest tea buyer at the East African Tea Trade Auction for the year ended June 2013. In 2012, Cargill was recognized as being the top exporter through the Port of Mombasa.

Top 8 Kenya Tea Exporters - Kenya Trade
 
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